Deleted Achievements

Since the "African Kingdoms" release, 24 achievements has been deleted (and no longer existing/available neither) on Steam:


























Seems to be 26 deleted achievement because the total number of achievement in this game is now : 265 and not 291... But I can't find the 2 lasts...

Edit: The 2 achievements I missed so far are finally 2 achievements that were modified by devs:
Seems to be the no-longer existing 2 ach. :



Because, now, they're replaced by:

According to the store page the total count is 265 so there isn't another one to find.

I hope TSA will delete them soon, as Astats & Achievementstats already did!
I want to be able to reach 100% on this game!!

Oh wow, these 1000-win achievements always seemed excessive lol

I guess it's good for the majority, but if I was one of the few who unlocked them I'd be a tad upset.

We discussed with some TSA friends about that and a good way to be fair would surely be some kind of "bonus points" for the players who unlocked these deleted achievements? (If it's able?)

Imho, it seems stupid to maintain all these "no longer existing on Steam" achievements in TSA.
Moreover, it will prevent gamers to reach 100% completion in TSA even if Steam mention you got 100%!!

But some brave players unlocked the deleted achievements before they were deleted on Steam, and these players surely deserve something special for that I guess!

KuWanTum said:Oh wow, these 1000-win achievements always seemed excessive lolYou could win as quick as you could load a game. Sure it might have still taken time but it's not like you actually needed a thousand full games for each

TiCyrillou said:We discussed with some TSA friends about that and a good way to be fair would surely be some kind of "bonus points" for the players who unlocked these deleted achievements? (If it's able?)

Imho, it seems stupid to maintain all these "no longer existing on Steam" achievements in TSA.
Moreover, it will prevent gamers to reach 100% completion in TSA even if Steam mention you got 100%!!

But some brave players unlocked the deleted achievements before they were deleted on Steam, and these players surely deserve something special for that I guess!They'll likely just get the Discontinued flag that achievements get on our other sites that were unlockable at one time but not anymore for one reason or another

Alklein92201 said:They'll likely just get the Discontinued flag that achievements get on our other sites that were unlockable at one time but not anymore for one reason or anotherYour prob right, but this would be the wrong want to handle it to be honest. As difference between Steam and PSN/XBL is these achievements/trophies are still required for 100% but on Steam they arnt, as Steam will say you have 100% due to these achievements being removed.

Yes but just like TA/TT, and now TSA, the whole basis of these sites is that just because the companies do it a certain way doesn't make it the right way. I don't know which way I'd prefer really, I'd probably say if they still show on Steam for players who got them, then we should keep them entirely. If Valve wipes them even from players who unlock them, then wipe them here.

This is definitely a new situation though that hasn't been decided in the past from another TrueGaming site, so it certainly isn't an easy decision.

They should be wiped, so many other achievements have been deleted prior to this site coming out so it would feel inconsistent.
No reason to bog down servers and load times with useless things like achievements few people may have obtained.

The one exception maybe being if a entire game gets wiped. This has happened in the past to online only games that have been removed from Steam and shut down.

Note: Per this post, the site devs already have a method they're looking into for how to handle these situations.


mcnichoj said:No reason to bog down servers and load times with useless things like achievements few people may have obtained.What? Regardless of opinion on this subject overall, that's absurd. The whole point of the ratio and adjusted TrueScore is to reward people more who have gotten rarer achievements. Those achievements arent useless, it's exactly those kinds of achievements that many use as an achievement hunting "badge of honor", if you will.

Removing achievements because we can't scan them is entirely different than simply choosing not to. We should be aiming to have every piece of data we can.

As for entire games, has that actually happened? That's just dumb... I'm not sure why these can get removed in the first place, no matter what my thoughts are on the topic.

Alklein92201 said:Removing achievements because we can't scan them is entirely different than simply choosing not to.The scenario I'm about to suggest kind of ties these two things together.
Now what if someone did actually get those removed achievements but they weren't a member on this site? Then they join and we end up getting people complaining how they should have 'such and such' achievement.

Alklein92201 said:As for entire games, has that actually happened? That's just dumb... I'm not sure why these can get removed in the first place, no matter what my thoughts are on the topic.Yup, yup. Rise of Immortals was a Dota style game created by the Guardians of Graxia (this game still exists on Steam) devs, presumably they weren't getting enough money and so they wiped everything of RoI to cover up their failure.
The only existence of its achievements in full is on GameFAQ:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/pc/622496-rise-of-immortals-battle-f...
The devs for any given game can remove anything and everything related to their game.
Even badges aren't safe:
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/tradingcards/discussions/1/...

Edit: Something else I wanted to mention but I forgot to while typing up everything else is that the mother site TA has removed one achievement that was removed from a game on Xbox One.

mcnichoj said:Edit: Something else I wanted to mention but I forgot to while typing up everything else is that the mother site TA has removed one achievement that was removed from a game on Xbox One.What was it, and was it before public availability of the game? I seem to remember something like that.

Alklein92201 said:mcnichoj said:Edit: Something else I wanted to mention but I forgot to while typing up everything else is that the mother site TA has removed one achievement that was removed from a game on Xbox One.What was it, and was it before public availability of the game? I seem to remember something like that.Nope, it was a game out for like a year.
The mother site has also reflected any kinds of changes that have appeared on the Xbox servers be in description changes or gamerscore allotments.

mcnichoj said:Alklein92201 said:mcnichoj said:Edit: Something else I wanted to mention but I forgot to while typing up everything else is that the mother site TA has removed one achievement that was removed from a game on Xbox One.What was it, and was it before public availability of the game? I seem to remember something like that.Nope, it was a game out for like a year.
The mother site has also reflected any kinds of changes that have appeared on the Xbox servers be in description changes or gamerscore allotments.Yea description and score changes I'll support any day, modifications to an achievement are different than gaining or losing achievement. This is gonna drive me nuts now, I vaguely remember an achievement being deleted but can't find what game it was.

I found MGS V on the One, who had two achievements removed roughly at release because they didn't get removed before like they were supposed to, even though they had been left out of the other platforms. Not that they were even possible, from what I'm told (not that that normally has much relevance in discussion, but considering this special situation involves what do for people that unlocked them...)

TiCyrillou said:We discussed with some TSA friends about that and a good way to be fair would surely be some kind of "bonus points" for the players who unlocked these deleted achievements? (If it's able?)I think these should just be categorized as "orphaned" achievements. They would still be worth points to those who earned them, but wouldn't count towards completion.

mcnichoj said:They should be wiped, so many other achievements have been deleted prior to this site coming out so it would feel inconsistent.I guess all was said here...
(others Steam Achievements websites already totally wiped them, just as Steam did, only TSA keep a useless trace about them...)

What other Steam sites do should not, and hopefully does not, matter. If we go off of what other sites do, it would make sense to follow the standard set by the rest of the True sites. While removed achievements don't have a standard, we do have a flag specifically created for achievements that were once obtainable and aren't anymore. It doesn't matter why they aren't anymore, the Discontinued flag is exactly for situations like that.

However, based on a quote from one of the site devs that I thought I quoted upthread but apparently didn't, they already have a plan in mind they are looking into. That the plan wasn't explained tells me it isn't as simple as applying the DC flag, and isn't as plain as removing the achievements. It doesn't warrant a separate category of separated achievements, so I doubt that's it, and it isn't DLC so separating it as such of course wouldn't make sense. Ignoring the final implications, I'm curious to see what they have in mind just out of curiosity now