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  • SpilnerSpilner1,962
    Posted on 15 January 16 at 14:31
    Christ you're looking way too into things here, please never apply to be on the reported content team otherwise there would be no solutions left on any site roll

    The first solutions you've linked are against Solution Guidelines as they repeat the description (Speedy is a nice little spammer, posting the same thing over and over, feed spam etc)
    Second ones explain what to do, don't understand what you're picking at there other than they're a but shit, but they do the job, cant stop people writing crap if they still help.
    Third ones... there are 5,699,843 achievements on the site, you really want every single one marked when they unlock when a solution can easily say a rare delay or the like for specific achievements.
    Its that guy from the thing in the place.
  • NomstuffNomstuff67,678
    Posted on 15 January 16 at 19:46
    It's better to use a notification in the game info box or a solution to explain the issue, if need be.

    Also, Speedy is well known for his useless contributions, and his guides are rulebreaking there.
  • JMJimmyJMJimmy48,949
    Posted on 15 January 16 at 20:50
    Nomstuff said:It's better to use a notification in the game info box or a solution to explain the issue, if need be.

    Also, Speedy is well known for his useless minimalist contributions, and his guides are rulebreaking there.
    Be fair
    Life, it's funny that way.
  • NomstuffNomstuff67,678
    Posted on 15 January 16 at 21:25
    Sorry, I shall be more diplomatic in future.
  • SpilnerSpilner1,962
    Posted on 15 January 16 at 21:31
    Useless was perfectly appropriate.
    Its that guy from the thing in the place.
  • JMJimmyJMJimmy48,949
    Posted on 15 January 16 at 22:22
    Spilner said:Useless was perfectly appropriate.Unless you're willing to put up better solutions for each and every one, STFU.
    Life, it's funny that way.
  • NomstuffNomstuff67,678
    Posted on 15 January 16 at 22:32
    JMJimmy said:Spilner said:Useless was perfectly appropriate.Unless you're willing to put up better solutions for each and every one, STFU.In this instance, Speedy hasn't put up solutions either. He's copied the decription, anyone can do that. It takes literally no effort.
  • JMJimmyJMJimmy48,949
    Posted on 15 January 16 at 22:39, Edited on 15 January 16 at 22:46 by JMJimmy
    Nomstuff said:JMJimmy said:Spilner said:Useless was perfectly appropriate.Unless you're willing to put up better solutions for each and every one, STFU.In this instance, Speedy hasn't put up solutions either. He's copied the decription, anyone can do that. It takes literally no effort.He's put up 179 solutions, sure some of them are obvious, some of them are genuinely helpful (like Emily is Away) but at the same time until there's a "main storyline" flag it doesn't hurt anyone to have obvious solutions, it's certainly better than no content at all. Disparaging someone for taking their time to contribute what they think they can is just mean.

    Edit: Just a statistic for you: if 15 seconds were to be taken to write a solution for every achievement currently on the site, it's going to take 2.7 years worth of work. There's a LOT for volunteers to get through, forgive them if not everything is perfect and ideally written.
    Life, it's funny that way.
  • NomstuffNomstuff67,678
    Posted on 15 January 16 at 22:48, Edited on 15 January 16 at 22:54 by Nomstuff
    I'm yet to encounter anything he has ever written that could be described as helpful,(until you posted that game) were it a new person, who wasn't known on previous websites for this exact lack of content, I would be inclined to agree and give them the benefit of the doubt. However this user has been around long enough to know better and is yet to show any kind of improvement in the quality of guides posted or forums posts.

    Minimal use is fine. That's only so much you can do with some things, no useful info is not.
  • JMJimmyJMJimmy48,949
    Posted on 15 January 16 at 22:58
    Nomstuff said:I'm yet to encounter anything he has ever written that could be described as helpful, were it a new person, who wasn't known on previous websites for this exact lack of content, I would be inclined to agree and give them the benefit of the doubt. However this user has been around long enough to know better and is yet to show any kind of improvement in the quality of guides posted or forums posts.As the solution page says "Think you can do better?" - put up and let people vote on how helpful a solution is. An obvious solution is not bad, it's just obvious so why do you care enough to insult the guy? Is obvious really that offensive to you?
    Life, it's funny that way.
  • NomstuffNomstuff67,678
    Posted on 15 January 16 at 23:12, Edited on 15 January 16 at 23:17 by Nomstuff
    In a way yes. If this site gets spammed with a ton of useless/near useless solutions, that are nothing but repeats of the description, or ones that are adequately covered by the flags. (yes, yes, I know we don't have them here yet) they'll drag down the overall reputation of the site and it's content.

    If there's 1000 copypasta solutions to every 500 slightly useful and every 100 actually useful, Then soon we're up to eyeballs in crap.

    Again, since you probably missed the edit the first time.
    Minimal is fine, there's only so much you can do with some things, no useful info is not.

    On topic:
    JMJimmy said:The system exists on TA and it doesn't work wellI believe it's misunderstood there as a boosting request feature.
  • JMJimmyJMJimmy48,949
    Posted on 15 January 16 at 23:27, Edited on 15 January 16 at 23:28 by JMJimmy
    Nomstuff said:On topic:
    JMJimmy said:The system exists on TA and it doesn't work wellI believe it's misunderstood there as a boosting request feature.
    These days it definitely is since the community has created solutions for most achievements. That and it's so infrequently used it might as well be stripped out.
    Life, it's funny that way.
  • NomstuffNomstuff67,678
    Posted on 15 January 16 at 23:40, Edited on 15 January 16 at 23:42 by Nomstuff
    I had actually forgotten about it entirely until this thread was mentioned. The framework for it however seems to already be in place here. Nomstuff's Achievements ( the little question mark column) as it is on TT TrueTrophies so it probably* wouldn't take that much effort to reimplement here.

    *I say probably, I honestly have no idea


    Scratch that.

    It's here
    Clicker HeroesIs this real life?The Is this real life? achievement in Clicker Heroes worth 15 pointsAscend the world 10 times
    it exists already. /thread
  • UzzbuzzUzzbuzz367,720
    Posted on 16 January 16 at 00:20
    Another idea is to be able to flag an achievement as obvious, and have an appointed member or more of the community to go through these flagged achievements and put some sort of tag on these ones underneath that says something like "Obvious Achievement through natural story progression" or simply "Obvious achievement".

    That way, we could have it so that achievements with those tags, would not allow people to post solutions for them, effectively enforcing the rules as users are going to be tempted upon seeing "no solutions for this achievement" to make a solution that is redundant, because they cannot do a solution otherwise.
  • NomstuffNomstuff67,678
    Posted on 16 January 16 at 00:26, Edited on 16 January 16 at 00:26 by Nomstuff
    We do have that already, in the form of Achievement flags, when they get implemented on this site too, and the team in question would be Game Info.

    although it doesn't do the second part, nor should it.
  • UzzbuzzUzzbuzz367,720
    Posted on 16 January 16 at 00:29
    Well, if any solution for the given achievements is going to be redundant and break the rules, it'd save effort on the staff's part if those certain achievements were locked off from having solutions added so admins wouldn't have to constantly be removing as many solutions, especially as the site gets more traffic.
  • JMJimmyJMJimmy48,949
    Posted on 16 January 16 at 00:44
    Nomstuff said:Scratch that. ... it exists already. /threadLOL so it does... just don't use it cause once you ask for help I don't think you can ever undo it
    Life, it's funny that way.
  • JMJimmyJMJimmy48,949
    Posted on 16 January 16 at 00:47
    uzzbuzz said:Well, if any solution for the given achievements is going to be redundant and break the rules, it'd save effort on the staff's part if those certain achievements were locked off from having solutions added so admins wouldn't have to constantly be removing as many solutions, especially as the site gets more traffic.On TA there are hundreds if not thousands of "redundant" solutions. A lot of "This is part of the main storyline and cannot be missed" - no one really cares because so few bother to look at them.
    Life, it's funny that way.
  • NomstuffNomstuff67,678
    Posted on 16 January 16 at 00:53, Edited on 16 January 16 at 00:54 by Nomstuff
    We have a team dedicated to policing solutions. Also, for some achievements, it may be necessary to add extra information, regardless of how obvious it seems. Maybe there's a glitch, maybe there's a hidden requirement, maybe it only works during the full moon.

    Sometimes it's obvious but the user feels they have something to add and will

    For example
    Duke Nukem 3D: Megaton EditionLimbo time!The Limbo time! achievement in Duke Nukem 3D: Megaton Edition worth 21 pointsComplete "Duke Caribbean: Life's A Beach" on any difficulty


    Could be done by simply saying "Beat"Duke Caribbean: Life's A Beach" on Piece of Cake difficulty"

    Or you could inform people that the cheat code for level select works fine, they can use that, skip to the boss, use god mode, unlock all the doors, walk up to the boss and end the level by killing him. Shaving hours off of the required time.

    It's for these situations that it's better that it remains open.

    JMJimmy said:
    uzzbuzz said:
    Well, if any solution for the given achievements is going to be redundant and break the rules, it'd save effort on the staff's part if those certain achievements were locked off from having solutions added so admins wouldn't have to constantly be removing as many solutions, especially as the site gets more traffic.
    On TA there are hundreds if not thousands of "redundant" solutions. A lot of "This is part of the main storyline and cannot be missed" - no one really cares because so few bother to look at them.
    For these solutions it's preferred that you report them to the Reported Content Team on TA and we'll handle it from there. We can't act if we don't know.
  • SpilnerSpilner1,962
    Posted on 16 January 16 at 01:11
    JMJimmy said:Nomstuff said:Scratch that. ... it exists already. /threadLOL so it does... just don't use it cause once you ask for help I don't think you can ever undo itI got it fixed years ago on TA so unless its broken in the transition to TS it should still work (Though all platform definitions were made generic to work on any site at that time)

    As for this little debate about achievements not requiring solutions for part of the story and such, ive written solutions for story achievements only I actually explain what you have to do, sometimes the story isn't always clear! so they aren't redundant in anyway.
    Its that guy from the thing in the place.
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